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Anon, wow, that was harsh. I agree that this is a ...

2005-08-30T14:58:00.000-05:00

Anon, wow, that was harsh. I agree that this is a very sensitive topic, especially when some make the claim that there are innate physiological differences across races that produce these differences. Part of the reason I posted on the Kim and Markman research was to make clear that there's no evidence for that assertion. And it is an assertion at which Nisbett has at least hinted. Still, the evidence for cross-cultural differences are hard to deny.

It's been a while since I've read Masuda and Nisbett, but I do recall them providing figures that give examples of their stimuli. I know Kim and Markman have figures in their paper that present the animal stimuli with the backgrounds. Furthermore, Masuda and Nisbett do discuss the increased attention to focal-object details in westerners. I don't know if Masuda and Nisbett is online, but Kim and Markman, which is online, has a fairly detailed discussion of their experiments.

oh come on.pick up nisbett's book.the first 5 page...

2005-08-30T14:26:00.000-05:00

oh come on.

pick up nisbett's book.

the first 5 pages are jaw-droppingly off the mark. (it's a phantasmagoria of racist/historical stereotypes. he spends thousands of words asserting that all of ancient greece had a uniquely "strong sense of AGENCY.")

this guy's like midas, except everything he touches turns to shit.

--the AP loves that too, cause then they have a story.

and no publications of the research i've seen gave the specifics about the images participants were viewing--so we can't tell whether the foreground/background stimuli were biased in respect to one "culture" or the other, we weren't given the specifics of the experimental setting and administrator vis-a-vis the participants, and we certainly aren't given the general insight that THE CULTURAL DIFFERENCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COULD BE A MERELY HISTORICAL/CONTINGENT ONE, with both so-called "cultures" actually reacting exactly the same way when they have certain types of fear. and the difference could just be a matter of what kind of fear a group of people have been conditioned with, and so forth.

every single presentation of the research i've seen has been crooked.

in nisbett's remarks that i read, he noted that the asians detailed "60% more background information", but DID NOT EXPLICITLY MENTION THE LOGICAL COMPLEMENT TO THAT, which is the exact percentage of more FOREGROUND details the euro-americans gave over their counterparts.

there's a reason the presentations are crooked too: it's cause they rest on pre-conceived notions and stereotypes.

you show quanti/qualifiable difference in peoples behavior? hey, great.

but it starts getting shady when the guiding theory states that the westerners' attitudes... come from ancient greece. yeah, some explanation. or some crap about how aristotle didn't realize that the notion of "floating" involves a relationship between an object/substance and a medium.

i think nisbett himself has even said that in asia "you can't afford to have a bull in a china shop." implying that in fact asian's are the only people in the world who have to worry about the consequences of not watching where they're going.

still looking into the other jokers involved with this trash.

I wonder what part empathy (vs. fear of isolation)...

2005-08-26T11:35:00.000-05:00

I wonder what part empathy (vs. fear of isolation) might have in this stuff. It would be interesting, for instance, to see some experiements on the different ways of thinking in this regard across various economic classes. Would upper-middle class people think less holistically because they don't *have* to notice the backgrounds/context of things as much?

Thanks again for another interesting post.

p.s. Looks like your'e getting some comment spam along the lines of some that I've gotten recently. Ick. Wonder what blogger is doing to come up with better ways of dealing with it...

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2005-08-26T07:55:00.000-05:00

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Anon, the thing about being in a field is, by the ...

2005-08-26T03:27:00.000-05:00

Anon, the thing about being in a field is, by the time something comes out in a journal, you've read it, read the follow up, and moved on. You know from talking to people, going to conferences, etc., who's doing what, whether they've written it up yet, and what's coming next. By the time it's published, it's old news.

Just out of curiosity: how do you manage to get yo...

2005-08-26T00:42:00.000-05:00

Just out of curiosity: how do you manage to get your hands on stuff that's still forthcoming,in press, etc.?

Hack research is a pretty strong epithet! It's pos...

2005-08-25T15:44:00.000-05:00

Hack research is a pretty strong epithet! It's possible that the Asian students displayed higher fear of isolation because they were in a different country and culture, but you'd have to make a better case than you have to argue that it negates the conclusions of the research. For one, these students form very well organized social groups with the hundreds (or thousands -- the University of Texas has a very large Asian student minority) of other students from their native countries. In addition, there were strong theoretical reasons for believing that Asians would display higher FOI on average (read the paper for references).

And since you didn't actually address the experiments, calling it hack research is even more uncalled for.

HMM..anyone notice that the supposed "fear of isol...

2005-08-25T14:56:00.000-05:00

HMM..

anyone notice that the supposed "fear of isolation" thinkers (the CHINESE participants)...

were...

participating in a study that was obviously testing their cognitive abilities... in an american university [etc etc]

whereas the euro-ameri-whoever participants were in their home country, home university, probably part of the dominant demographic, --and what do you know, the performance-distribution seems to be related to a kind of "fear of isolation" or wondering if you're up the social snuff

ETC ETC

hack research.

That's interesting. There was a segment on NPR ab...

2005-08-24T19:44:00.000-05:00

That's interesting. There was a segment on NPR about this today and then you give the fuller account.