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I've enjoyed the thread thus far, and a...Hi Chris,<br /><br />I've enjoyed the thread thus far, and am sympathetic to your position (esp. as regards pop-sci books solely for introductory purposes). I'm wondering if you've seen this recent piece in the Guardian on the very subject:<br /><br />http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/scienceandnature/story/0,6000,1434400,00.html<br /><br />Hope you find it of interest. Take care,<br /><br />BenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1110402098241637732005-03-09T15:01:00.000-06:002005-03-09T15:01:00.000-06:00I don't mean that all science books are bad. I've ...I don't mean that all science books are bad. I've read some good ones (I liked The God Particle, for example), but the problem is that it's impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff unless you know the field. For all I know, The God Particle could be terrible physics. Like I said in the update, science books (as in trade books, not technical books written for people in the field, or as potential texts for graduate courses even) serve as OK introductions to a field or subfield sometimes, but nothing more. If they get more people interested in a discipline, that's great, but when it comes time to write about a field in a public forum, you'd better have something more under your belt.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08417970139690159046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1110398874021186092005-03-09T14:07:00.000-06:002005-03-09T14:07:00.000-06:00I agree that most pop science books are crap, but ...I agree that most pop science books are crap, but I try not to dismiss them out of hand as I feel that they serve an important purpose, however badly. I plan on writing good popular science books one day, so I refuse to give up hope entirely. 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We're also responsible for science education in this country, at least at the college level, and while I know there are some excellent science professors out there, I'm not sure that scientists, as a group, are succeeding as educators.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08417970139690159046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1110246480881929262005-03-07T19:48:00.000-06:002005-03-07T19:48:00.000-06:00But...blogs are supposed to be rants, off-the-cuff...But...blogs are supposed to be rants, off-the-cuff emotional personal responses to whatever bothers the owner at the time. Blog-posts are also questions to readers, offers for discussion, often deliberately one-sided and crude rants written IN ORDER to foster discussion.<br /><br />Real expertise shows. If I write about Iraq, nobody will read it. If I write an angry rant using Lakoff's model as a starting point, I will get responses in comments and a discussion starts. 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