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But I also don't think that should come at the price of embracing blank-slatism wholesale and shutting down certain routes of research just because they might not give us politically correct results.L'elhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00573271163680766407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1107853988673029662005-02-08T03:13:00.000-06:002005-02-08T03:13:00.000-06:00Except it wasn't a public forum, it was a private ...Except it wasn't a public forum, it was a private luncheon. Papers contacted Summers asking him to provide transcript of what he said. He refused, so they went with (frequently skewed) recollections of invited members. <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?yaroslavvb.blogspot.com" TITLE="yaroslavvb at gmail dot com">Yaroslav Bulatov</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106327222289192812005-01-21T11:07:00.000-06:002005-01-21T11:07:00.000-06:00My comment about variability was based on a story ...My comment about variability was based on a story in the <A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2005%2F01%2F18%2Fnational%2F18harvard.html%3Fei%3D5090%26en%3D3bd8d429b8f9b21c%26ex%3D1263704400%26partner%3Drssuserland%26pagewanted%3Dprint%26position%3D">NY Times</A>, but why should I trust them?<br /><br /><I>In citing a second factor, Dr. Summers cited research showing that more high school boys than girls tend to score at very high and very low levels on standardized math tests, and that it was important to consider the possibility that such differences may stem from biological differences between the sexes.</I> <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fmixingmemory.blogspot.com%2F2005%2F01%2Fsex-differences-and-science-careers.html" TITLE="mr_minuteman at hotmail dot com">Tom Maguire</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106276957579349122005-01-20T21:09:00.000-06:002005-01-20T21:09:00.000-06:00We do know some of what Summers said (I quoted it ...We do know some of what Summers said (I quoted it in a later post). I don't think he mentioned variability. That was Pinker, who defends Summers on the ground that the existence of a disparity doesn't automatically indicate discrimination if there is an alternative explanation. However, we already know, from empirical research, that there is discrimination, so why Pinker would imply that this might not be the case is beyond me. <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fmixingmemory.blogspot.com" TITLE="mixingmemory at gmail dot com">Chris</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106275168339564342005-01-20T20:39:00.000-06:002005-01-20T20:39:00.000-06:00This brings us to the real reason why Summers dese...<I>This brings us to the real reason why Summers deserves the harsh criticism. He is probably right that there exist real sex differences, across the entire population, in math abilities, but we know too little about the sources of these differences to be speaking definitively about them in public forums.</I>Beautiful - time permitting, I have to quote that.<br /><br />In doing so, I will probably make the point that we (excuse me, the rest of us) don't actually know what Summers said, or how "definitively" he said it. I will then segue (gracelessly, no doubt) to some point or other about free academic inquiry and its apparent inappropriateness within the "reality based community". <br /><br />Summers also mentioned the theory that men have more variabilty in their ability, and tend to be over-represented at the top and bottom of math tests. If you addressed that in your post, I missed it - sorry. <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?JustOneMinute.typepad.com" TITLE="">Tom Maguire</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106189711773894532005-01-19T20:55:00.000-06:002005-01-19T20:55:00.000-06:00Wow. I may be more oriented towards conspiracies ...Wow. I may be more oriented towards conspiracies than most, but I wonder if some of the above posters were consciously spamming nonsense, perhaps with some devious hidden purposes. Because, if they "honestly thought" what their posts suggest, and even worse they judged their thought to be true or valid or well founded... well, what the hell can I say!?!?<br /><br />Take the definition of sanity as: "soundness of judgement or belief, or atleast the recognition when judgement or belief is unsound."<br /><br />Surely we are all insane. But, how many of us, these days anyways, even strive for sanity? I suspect less than .001% <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fmixingmemory.blogspot.com%2F2005%2F01%2Fsex-differences-and-science-careers.html%23comments" TITLE="progressivepolitics at hotmail dot com">Concerned US Citizen</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106162752695087722005-01-19T13:25:00.000-06:002005-01-19T13:25:00.000-06:00Dude, you're right that preferences influence care...Dude, you're right that preferences influence career choice, but the question still remains, do sociological factors influence these choies? The answer, to me, is obviously yes, and significantly so. <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fmixingmemory.blogspot.com" TITLE="mixingmemory at gmail dot com">Chris</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106157097375132612005-01-19T11:51:00.000-06:002005-01-19T11:51:00.000-06:00"2.) populations that overlap as extensively as ma..."2.) populations that overlap as extensively as males and females on mathematical reasoning ability shouldn't yield a 90 to 10% difference in engeineering departments. Especially since the differences for college-going females are even smaller (and don't range over all math skills)."<br /><br />I don't know about this. You have to remember that one's choice to go into a field doesn't involve pure ability; one may have the skills for a certain field but not have much interest in it. Part of the issue here is not just that a lower percentage of women can hack it in engineering/math/physics, it's also that a fair number who *could* hack it don't have much interest in the field--they might prefer medicine, law, or some other field.<br /><br />Would you say, for example, that the large predominance of males in DXing (long-distance radio reception) or ham radio is due solely or even largely to 'discrimination?' I mean, it's not like there's much social benefits to being in such groups (high pay, prestige, etc), and pretty much anyone who's interested can be involved. Is it really so hard to believe that women might be innately less interested in electronics than men? <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fmixingmemory.blogspot.com%2F2005%2F01%2Fsex-differences-and-science-careers.html" TITLE="dude at dudeville dot com">dude</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106147883784418642005-01-19T09:18:00.000-06:002005-01-19T09:18:00.000-06:00It would be one thing to say Summer shouldn't be s...It would be one thing to say Summer shouldn't be speaking publically on this issue, if the other side didn't take the position that "disparate impact" is prima facia evidence of prejudice and discrimination. To be labeled a bigot nowadays is not that much different than being labeled a nigger in days gone by. Grow up! <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fmixingmemory.blogspot.com%2F2005%2F01%2Fsex-differences-and-science-careers.html" TITLE="luke at lukelea dot com">Luke Lea</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106113932866418032005-01-18T23:52:00.000-06:002005-01-18T23:52:00.000-06:00dude, 1.) height differences are irrelevant, and 2...dude, 1.) height differences are irrelevant, and 2.) populations that overlap as extensively as males and females on mathematical reasoning ability shouldn't yield a 90 to 10% difference in engeineering departments. Especially since the differences for college-going females are even smaller (and don't range over all math skills). <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fmixingmemory.blogspot.com" TITLE="mixingmemory at gmail dot com">Chris</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106113610178649632005-01-18T23:46:00.000-06:002005-01-18T23:46:00.000-06:00The first sentence of the second paragraph should ...The first sentence of the second paragraph should read "And the fact is it does *not* take a terribly large [mean] difference to create a substantial disparity." <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fmixingmemory.blogspot.com%2F2005%2F01%2Fsex-differences-and-science-careers.html" TITLE="dude at dudeville dot com">dude</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106113297415735752005-01-18T23:41:00.000-06:002005-01-18T23:41:00.000-06:00Sex differences are 'small and variable?' You mea...Sex differences are 'small and variable?' You mean like the 2 standard deviation difference in mean height between the sexes, acconting for about 50% of the variation in human height? The differences in physical stength?<br /><br />And the fact is it does *not* take a terribly large difference to create a substantial disparity. Taking a simplified model here, say it takes a minimum math IQ of 130 to get into some field. The Math/Verbal IQ's of men and women are (say) 102/98 and 98/102 respectively. Given a standard deviation of 15 in math IQ and a normal distribution, 3.1% of men and 1.6% of women will have math IQs over 130--a ratio of nearly 2:1. This is in spite of only about a 1/4 standard deviation gap in mean math ability, or about 1.7% of the variation in math ability. This model does not even take into account the possibly greater variability of male intelligence, giving an even more heavily male bias to the right (and left) tails of the ability distribution. <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fmixingmemory.blogspot.com%2F2005%2F01%2Fsex-differences-and-science-careers.html" TITLE="dude at dudeville dot com">dude</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106104276665262932005-01-18T21:11:00.000-06:002005-01-18T21:11:00.000-06:00The role of descrimination does not "deserve" to b...The role of descrimination does not "deserve" to be diminished because it plays a big role. If he doesn't want to be beholding to the data, that's fine, but if he does, then he must admit that (and he certainly doesn't seem to be admitting that). <br /><br />My standard is the scientific one: the innate differences are too small to account for the huge differences in career success and entrance. If Summers doesn't want to be held to the scientific standards, then he shouldn't reference scientific concepts (like innate differences) which he knows nothing about.<br /><br />Since I've made it clear that my model is not 100% environment, both in the post and in the comments, I won't address any replies to my nonexistent belief that the differences are 100% environmental.<br /><br />My final statement in the last comment was based on reality: the reality is, both biology and discrimination play a role, with sociopolitical factors playing a bigger role, in this case, than the environment (as is easily demonstrated, and as the research has demonstrated, if only by showing how small and variable the biological sex differences really are). I am the one being realistic here. I'm focusing on the factors we can do something about, and recognizing that even with biological factors, the ones we can do something about are very important. <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fmixingmemory.blogspot.com" TITLE="mixingmemory at gmail dot com">Chris</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106103466003565542005-01-18T20:57:00.000-06:002005-01-18T20:57:00.000-06:00role of discrimination does not deserve to be dimi...<I>role of discrimination does not deserve to be diminished</I>Deserve? That's a value judgement, not a scientific one, and to forestall your criticism, I haven't read anyone in this debate, including Summers himself, saying that the role of discrimination <B>deserves</B> to be diminished.<br /><br />I'm forever baffled by the presumption, which it appears to me that you harbor, that adhering to a position of 100% environmentalism sides you with the angels and to even posit otherwise sides one with the devil. <br /><br /><br /><I>When Summers says these may be responsible, he's wrong, period, unless he makes it clear that at most, they are responsible for a small portion of the variance in career success (and entrance).</I>You employ an interesting debate tactic in holding Summers to your arbitrary standards. He need not jump through your conditional hoops in order to be right. Biology plays a huge part in the shaping of our lives - we are not blank slates - and for Summers to introduce this issue speaks to his affinity for dealing with the reality of the situation rather than the fiction you'd like to see the world as.<br /><br /><br /><br /><I>The sociopolitical factors play a huge role, and no amount of research on sex differences will show this to be false, because even those who recognize the sex differences in secondary math skills also recognize the large role that sociopolitical factors play</I>To entertain biology in no way diminishes these findings. If you wish to adhere to your 100% environmental models you'll be in for much unpleasant news for the research that's being conducted in labs today will simply be a sustained assault on the way you see the world. These views aren't going away.<br /><br /><br /><I>Furthermore, since we can't do anything about what innate sex differences do exist, and we can do things about the atmosphere of discrimination and stereotype, we should place more emphasis on these, rather than less.</I>Should? That's your opinion. I say we should base our policies on the "reality based persepctive" not the Bushian view of the world. <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?www.gnxp.com" TITLE="">TangoMan</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106102080575936532005-01-18T20:34:00.000-06:002005-01-18T20:34:00.000-06:00Tango, I've addressed his reply in the comments se...Tango, I've addressed his reply in the comments section on his blog. I stand by what I said there, and here: a.) the gender differences are fairly small, unexplained, and contain a high degree of variability, and b.) the role of discrimination does not deserve to be diminished. It's true that stereotype-threat cannot explain the bulk of the variance, but that was not my point. My point was that stereotype threat is only one example of how discrimination affects people, and by reaffirming those stereotypes, as Summers did, whether you like it or not, you can only increase the role of stereotype-threat.<br /><br />Which brings me to my real point (and this is for tc, as well), which both you and the folks you linked seem not to understand: innate differences probably do play a role, but highlighting these, and diminishing the role of discrimination, is stupid. When Summers says these may be responsible, he's wrong, period, unless he makes it clear that at most, they are responsible for a small portion of the variance in career success (and entrance). The sociopolitical factors play a huge role, and no amount of research on sex differences will show this to be false, because even those who recognize the sex differences in secondary math skills also recognize the large role that sociopolitical factors play (see some of the references in footnote 3, for example). Furthermore, since we can't do anything about what innate sex differences do exist, and we can do things about the atmosphere of discrimination and stereotype, we should place more emphasis on these, rather than less. <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fmixingmemory.blogspot.com" TITLE="mixingmemory at gmail dot com">Chris</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8182098.post-1106101574656037652005-01-18T20:26:00.000-06:002005-01-18T20:26:00.000-06:00What you don't mention is that when it comes to th...What you don't mention is that when it comes to those with high math skill, there are _far_ more males than females. Consider the 2004 SAT takers, at<br /><br />http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_downloads/about/news_info/cbsenior/yr2004/2004_CBSNR_total_group.pdf<br /><br />There were more females (53%) overall, but a lot more males when it came to high math scores: 21k males vs. 9.9k females scored 750-800; 39k males vs. 24k females scored 700-750, 64k males vs. 47k females scored 650-700. The same is true for the GRE (see McGillicuddy & De Lisi, _Biology, society, and behavior: The Development of Sex Differences in Cognition_)<br /><br />Stereotype threat, by the way, explains only a tiny amount of performance differences. <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fthreadsafe.blogspot.com" TITLE="t_c969 at hotmail dot com">tc</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com